Christopher Doll: My name is Christopher Doll and I am the archives at theUniversity of Dubuque. Today is April 3rd, the time is 10:40. Can you please say your name and spell it for the record?
Mike Glynn: Yeah, Michael Glynn, G-L-Y-N-N.
CD: And Michael, what year did you graduate for the University of Dubuque?
MG: I graduated in December of 76.
CD: And what was your major?
MG: Flight Operation and Aviation Management.
CD: Can you please tell me a little bit about your childhood and hometown?
MG: Ok, I actually grew up in the city if Dubuque, went to Dubuque Senior HighSchool, after I went to Iowa Lakes Community College after a year of junior college I transferred to the University of Dubuque.
CD: Can you remember what first sparked your interest in aviation?
MG: Well I, at the time I had no idea what my major was going to be, and I tookan aviation course as an elective, that being Basic Ground School and Private 1:00Pilot Flight training and I have been doing it ever since.
CD: Do you remember what you wanted to be when you grew up?
MG: Not specifically.
MG: That's a long time ago I can't remember that far back.
CD: You don't have any memories about wanting to be a pilot or..?
MGG: No, not at all.
CD: Alright. Can you remember watching planes take off and thinking what a cool thing?
MG: Oh certainly. But actually I think the first time that I flew was at theUniversity of Dubuque.
CD: I know we already established that it was a long time ago, but do youremember who some of your role models were?
MG: That's a hard one to say. Well I guess I will start with my father, he was avery good role modder, role model and as I was going through college another role model I had at the time was the Chief Flight instructor of that time was 2:00Rod Aaronson. He was a excellent instructor and I looked to him for guidance.
CD: Why did you decided to attend the University of Dubuque?
MG: I actually came her on a football scholarship after playing a year at ajunior college and I had the opportunity to move back to Dubuque and play football here.
CD: What position did you play?
MG: Middle line Backer.
CD: Did you play for the rest of your career here at UD?
MG: Well, unfortunately I ended up injuring my knee so I opt out of playingfootball and decided that flying was a little bit safer than playing football.
CD: I guess.
MG: At least on the body.
CD: When you first entered the University of Dubuque do you remember what yourmajor was, or were you undecided?
MG: I think I was undecided at the time. Perhaps business, I took a lot ofbusiness courses.
CD: And then you took an aviation course as an elective. Do you remember what3:00the course was?
MG: It was Basic ground school that is what it was.
CD: And learning the different aspects of aviation is what peaked your interest?
MG: Yeah, absolutely. It sounded like a viable occupation, at the time therewasn't a lot of jobs but now it is quite the opposite.
CD: When you were in that class were there professors telling you "Hey, this isa good major, this is a good career, you should join this major" or were they treating you like a regular student?
MG: Well just like any other student, but at the time the professor was BobRyder, who is the man that brought the program to the university and he was a very enthusiastic instructor, he brought a lot of stories from his days working in NASA and so on. He made it very interesting and intriguing.
CD: So at the time were of the students in the aviation department, did they4:00come to UD to major in aviation or were they like you, they were at UD and they got interested and they wanted to become pilots?
MG: Well again, you would have to check with admission. But if there are anypeople from back in those days I don't know if they were actively recruiting for the flight program at the time, but it steadily grew in the issuing years.
CD: So Mr. Ryder sold you on taking this up as your major was it easy to explainthis to your parents? Cause I think my parents would say that it's too expensive, you are not doing that.
MG: Well fortunately, my family was very accepting of that major and they sawthe benifts of having a son as a pilot.
CD: So when you took that ground school class--that was on campus at theUniversity of Dubuque right?
MG: Right, in Goldthorp.
CD: So you remember your first memory at the Dubuque airport?5:00
MG: Well it was quite different than, then it is now. We occupied a small spaceat the end of one of the T-hangers, that was the briefing area for the University of Dubuque, the Flight Operations, and those T-Hangers have long since leveled either by nature or by man. And the facilities had improved tremendously at the airport and we are looking forward to a new facility for the University of Dubuque in the coming year.
CD: What are some of the most memorable classes that you took at UD?
MG: Well like I say, I took a lot of business courses, I suppose some of thosewere quite memorable. I took a lot of sociology courses in my early years, not knowing where I was going to end up. But uh, there was a gentleman at the time, 6:00Russ Nash and he a sociology professor, he always put on some interesting lectures.
CD: Were there any other professor outside of Russ Nash that inspired you?
MG: A business professor, Ralph Davenport he was trying to get me to join thebusiness program.
CD: So can you remember your first actual flight experience?
MG: Well I think my first flight experience was when the NAVY came to theUniversity of Dubuque during my ground school class. They were trying to recruit pilots. So they actually took a number of us up in a airplane. It was a T-38, so that was a memorable flight.
CD: I guess in the end that just sell you that.
MG: Yep that just helped me sell that I want to try this.7:00
CD: Do you remember your first solo flight?
MG: Again that was quite a while ago but I think at the time my instructors didsuch a marvelous job preparing me that it wasn't a nerve-raking experience.
CD: I know that now we have lot of high tech class flight simulators, when youwere in school did they provide flight simulators for you.
MG: We had a old Frasca model 100.
CD: I don't know what that means.
MG: It almost looked like a coffin if you will. But it had the basic flightinstruments and it did just fine back in those days.
CD: Would it hold now.
MG: Not for the advance aircraft that we have now, no.
CD: Can you remember your first negative experience in a plane?
MG: Oh maybe. There was a group of us flying out to Colorado for a mountain8:00flying seminar and we got into pretty rough, it was actually clear air turbulence flying westbound and I remember my head hitting the celling, it was a bumpy ride. And there is not a lot of head clearance inside the airplane to begin with and if you hit a pretty good bump like that and if your seatbelt is snug--
CD: So even with your seatbelt you still hit your head?
MG: Oh yeah, absolutely.
CD: I thought you were being a rebel.
MG: You would have been bumping your head with how tall you are.
CD: I know now that students have many opportunities to compete in competitionsand go across the nation. When you were at the university did the flight team ever compete in competitions?
MG: Yes, I recall competing in a Iowa air meet down in Boone Iowa and, we9:00eventually joined the National Intercollegiate Flying Association and we ended up in regional competitions back in the 70's and 80's.
CD: What kind of events did you participate in?
MG: Well they had accuracy landing, written exams, and preflight competitionsand there was a simulator flying event back then as well.
CD: Were you involved with Alpha Eta Rho, am I saying it right?
MG: Alpha Eta Rho.
CD: Alpha Eta Rho. Were you involved with that?
MG: Yes. Actually in the early days, the flight team were actually members ofAlpha Eta Rho and sometime during the 80's perhaps the two groups split into two different organizations.
CD: Do you have any memories of being a part of Alpha Eta Rho?
MG: Alpha Eta Rho, sure. I was one of the charter member when we got the chapter10:00here Dubuque. In your archives here I believe you mentioned some of the trips that we went on. Visiting Chicago air route traffic control center and some other communication bases.
CD: When you were a student do you remember the ratio of men to women in theaviation department? Were there a lot of females in the department at that time?
MG: There was a few, again what the ratio was, and 10-20%.
CD: So you had one in every class?
MG: Yeah, yeah.
CD: So you think they were treated the same?
MG: Yeah absolutely.
CD: Do you know what type of careers they went on to, or did you lose touch withthem, or?
MG: Well from my classmates, I kind of lost touch with those folks but there isone individual that has been involved with this project of yours "Tera" and I do 11:00recall her from the early years.
CD: Were most of the women that were in the aviation department at that time,were they on the pilot side or more on the management side?
MG: Well I knew most of them on the pilot side not so much on the management side.
CD: Alright, so after you graduated what did you do?
MG: I went to for a private flight school, it's called Dubuque Aeronauticalinstitute and I taught there for a year and a half or so and I did some charter work, part 135.
MG: And then an opportunity arose at the University of Dubuque, so I joinedtheir program in the December of 79.
CD: So how long have you been at the University of Dubuque?
MG: Well from 79 up until 98. In 98 I left for a corporate pilot positon forCrescent Electric in Dubuque. And then I came back to the University in the fall 12:00of 03.
CD: And when you first came to the university you were a flight instructor right?
CD: While you were a flight instructor, were there a lot of female flightinstructors throughout those years?
MG: When I was, in the early years no. I'm trying to recall back who the firstfemale flight instructor was, it may have been Polly Kadolph, I am not for sure.
CD: Okay. Well we are interviewing her so I guess we can ask her.
MG: Yeah you can ask her and she might recall someone before her but I can'trecollect someone.
CD: Throughout the years have there been female flight instructors?
MG: I think since the Polly days, if we want to call it that.
CD: She would love to hear that.
MG: Yeah. We have, I think we have always had at least one female on our flight staff.13:00
CD: Have you ever heard of the Women in Aviation International?
MG: Oh yeah, absolutely.
CD: Have you ever done anything with them, have you encouraged people to joinit, what do you know about them?
MG: Well, I know that they have a convention every year, which is popular forthe students to visit and it's usually in a nice warm climate. Other than that I haven't been involved with women in aviation>
CD: Alright. From when you were a student till now how, have the numbers ofwomen have in aviation department changed over the years? Has it grown, has it stayed steady, has it gone up and down?
MG: Oh, I think that it has grown slightly, I don't, I have seen any cyclicmovement, maybe a steady growth.
CD: A steady growth is healthy, but I think we can both admit that there isstill more men than women.
MG: Oh, absolutely.14:00
CD: Do you think that, the numbers are going to become more even, or are theyevening out, or do you think there will always be a discrepancy, do you think there will be more men than women?
MG: I think it all depends on if the women want to get involved in our program.It's open to all people, it's not a typical occupation in historical sense for women, but currently, I don't see why it couldn't be
CD: Well the numbers are increasing, why do think the numbers for the increaseare then? Well maybe not you guys specifically, but do you think there has been more effort to recruit more females into the aviation world?
MG: I think it's the natural evolution of our industry.
CD: Yeah. You stated that when you were a student that women in aviation weren't15:00perceived any different, so you think that the perception of women has changed over the years?
MG: No, I really don't.
CD: Alright. Have you seen a change of focus in what the women in the aviationdepartment are focusing on, are they choosing different types of careers, than when you were here?
MG: Well if they are in the flight program, than their aspirations' are to beprofessional pilots. So, I don't see any focus change with women that have started the flight program. As far as the management side goes, I can't really answer that for you because I don't interact with those women as much.
CD: After people graduate from the program do you still keep in contact withthem, well of course not everybody but?
MG: Sure, we stay in contact with them as much as we can but they drop in andvisit us, attend alumni events and so forth. 16:00
CD: Because this program is focusing on the women in aviation, do you know whatcareers the women have gotten into? Have they become commercial pilots, or have a lot of them gone into the personal piloting.
MG: Well when thy graduate from here they are commercial pilots.
MG: So in commercial aviation you got different branches you can go into, youcan branch into the airlines, you can branch into corporate. What I have seen in the last couple of years is that more of them are going into the airlines but we do have a pretty good contingency that are going into the corporate side as well. And there are a few over the years that have gone into military activity.
CD: Yeah we just spoke to Kylie Hahn a couple of days ago.
MG: Is she still in the service?17:00
CD: Yes, she has three years left. She is flying helicopters now.
MG: Well that's ok.
CD: Well since I brought up helicopters, we have a new helicopter program at theUniversity of Dubuque. Can you tell us a little bit about the program or are you not involved with that every much?
MG: Well the only involvement that I have is when we need to move them out ofour way.
CD: Oh so they are a nuisance to you?
MG: No, not really. No, it is a growing program and I hope it continues to grow.
CD: Where do you see the plane program going, are you going to get more planes,are you going to shift your focus?
MG: Well a lot will depend on numbers, if the student population increases wecan add more planes more instructors, but again it is dictated on student class size.
CD: And I know you are not into recruiting, you are not flying around, or maybeyou are flying around trying to recruit students, do you know if there is an 18:00emphasis on trying to recruit women into aviation or whoever will come we will train them?
MG: Well, yeah. I don't think we are targeting women, we are just targetingpilots and again whether it be man or women, they are both going to occupy the seats, they are both going to have the same training required.
CD: So what are some of the things that the University of Dubuque are doing totarget potential pilots?
MG: Well every years we have a presence at the EAA Oshkosh venture, which isliterally visited by hundreds of thousands of people all over the country and the world for that matter. And we are out there showing our presence in the aviation industry and admissions have done an excellent job recruiting for our program.
CD: Well I don't have any more questions. Do you have anything you would like to19:00add, or any questions you have for us.
MG: No I think that this is great thing you are doing here, lets continue.
CD: Yeah let's do it.
CD: Thank you very much.